娜娜 NANA -ナナ--第41集

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• 来自网友【可达鸭】的评论 大部分开头和结尾是用写信的方式展开和结束的，就像很久没有见到的两个人在灵魂对话，很像观众打开了一个大魔王尘封已久的匣子，一步步吸引我们坠入黑色玫瑰的漩涡中。 每个角色都像真实存在在身边过一样。 这个故事里的主人公，不讲对错，每个人都做出了符合自己的选择，当然，站在上帝视角，我们会指责谩骂，但是如果真的把一个人一生的选择铺开在你面前，也会和他们没差。 原来不完美的一堆人，凑在一起也能成为故事的主角。 整个故事，争议最大的就是奈奈了，奈奈在整个故事里，三分之二的选择，都是大大偏离传统主角的，但是仔细想想，生活中有多少奈奈的故事在发生，我们如果是奈奈，面对巧和伸会做出什么选择。 只能说故事正在发生，我们有时候是旁观者，能提出建议，但是左右不了他人选择，有时候有是当局者，飞蛾扑火不再回头。 人生总是有很多试错的余地，并不是一个选择错误就万劫不复。 莲说每个人都是独立的个体，无论靠的再近也无法合二为一，绝对不能把任何人变成自己的私人物品。 泰说世上不见得是正义必胜，不想输，就要让自己坚韧不屈，所以要学聪明圆滑。 很多很多的道理，这里都写出来了，或许当我们十几岁看这个片子的时候，无法做到感同身受。 但是慢慢长大后，才逐渐发现，人人都有自己的选择和原则，不必去干涉或批评，让自己内心强大起来，才是自己故事的主角应该完成的任务。
• 来自网友【阿加莎】的评论ep1 - ep14： nana英配 喜欢的台词摘录（ep1 - ep14）（娜娜）剧评 (douban.com) ep15- ep29： nana英配 喜欢的台词摘录（ep15 - ep29）（娜娜）剧评 (douban.com) ep30- ep39： nana英配 喜欢的台词摘录（ep30 - ep39）（娜娜）剧评 (douban.com) ====ep40Producer: Talented musicians getting their careers destroyed by slander, and record companies who care only about one thing, the bottom line!制作人是好人，但我觉得化危为机，走黑红路线也不错。。blast的风格不够主流，靠live积累足够多的粉丝，要很长时间，黑红至少能快速打开知名度，只要主唱漂亮、音乐入耳，后续很多青少年会黑转粉的。===原来Gaia也在推动这波舆论。。===Yasushi: No matter what label we are on, there will always be shady deals like that, it's just business. But the good thing about Gaia is that, at the very least, they have got deep pockets we can tap into. It's one thing to be all about the music, but unless people actually get to hear it, what's the point? If we are going to be on a major label, it's best to deal with one that gives us loads of money for production and promotion.I think there are a lot of things in life that are hard to accept. As much as we would like it to, justice doesn't always prevail in this world. So if you don't want to be disappointed, you have got to toughen up, you have got to get crafty.真的决定走黑红路线，又觉得对blast的成员好残忍。不择手段的成名背后，要抛掉很多宝贵的东西，比如傲骨，比如敏感的内心，变成一个世故圆滑的人。这样，真的值得吗？这样的人，还能产出好歌吗？===KN: It was the night of the full moon, and it must have been the happiest moment in my life. It felt like I had everything I ever wanted close to me, my heart was full of hopes and dreams, my future was shining brightly. Even if I tried really hard, I don't think I will feel pure happiness like that ever again.哎，意外的怀孕，完完全全改变了KN的人生。当时她开始做商场导购，这个工作还挺适合她的，男友Nobuo人品好又有钱。但人终归会为自己的放纵付出代价的。想获得幸福，好难啊。KN不认真生活，过得不幸福，ON那么努力地生活，也过得不幸福。===ON的占有欲，真的好恐怖。她没有把KN当成朋友，而是当成了自己的宠物，她不理解真正的KN的想法，她心中的KN完全是她幻想的形象。KN快逃，这种友情太扭曲了。。===ep41笑得，竟然把blast拉到山里团建，Gaia很有国企风格。===通过线下突袭live的方式亮相，好棒的企划！想到了男团plave，也是先线下live，舆论造势，再正式出道。私心放上plave成员noah在出道预热阶段，弘大街头路演的视频，cover的是wanna one的energetic~【韩曲翻唱】Noah 诺亚 - Energetic (原唱：Wanna One) ｜#PLAVE 【2022.10.21弘大街头LIVE回放】_哔哩哔哩_bilibili===Takumi: Listen, I have got a bunch of priorities that I just can't change, work comes first for me, in fact, it probably takes up more than 90% of my brain power, everything else just doesn't matter as much. But my girl comes second. I need her to be someone I can relax with, I won't be able to be with you a lot of time, but I won't let you have a hard life.这段话在我看来，还挺真诚的。Takumi是个极度自我为中心的人，但他也是个很有责任感的人，无论是对工作，还是对家庭。===ON好自私，明明知道Yasushi喜欢她，却一直装傻，享受着Yasushi对她的关爱，不负任何责任。Yasushi这人也怪，为什么不向前走一步呢。===ep 42看起来ON音准不太好啊，在录音室里反复练，最后还是要大幅修音。===Layla: I believe it's only when you are able to be with someone without all the lies or pretense, then you can really start to examine yourself. But if you look away, you lose everything. And I don't want to lose.只有当你能毫无矫饰地面对对方，你才能真正地审视自己。如果转移视线，逃避这个阶段，那这段关系不会有未来。我总是在这个阶段逃开，我害怕对方看到我意志力薄弱、肤浅的一面后，ta会失望。===我真的不理解，ON为何对他人的占有欲这么强，ON不过是KN的室友而已，但只是因为无法掌控KN，ON就无能狂怒，甚至患上了过呼吸症，这太病态了。带入KN视角，有这样一个室友，好恐怖。===ON: Hey, Hachi, humans are such hopeless creatures, it seems the harder we struggle, the deeper we sink. If I could be reincarnated, I'd want to be a fish, then I swim with Ren, just the two of us in a little fishbowl.ON的控制欲，看得我脊背发凉。===ep 43动画已经看完了，但暂时停更。因为太讨厌KN和ON，我发现自己过于愤怒，以至于听不明白台词了。我想，我需要一些时间冷静下来。怎么会有如此讨厌的双主角设定？！女性之间的友谊？骗子！你们都是只爱男人的娇妻！！！！===冷静一些了。我想，最让我受伤的是，原来在一些直人眼中，友情和爱情的重要性，竟然有如此大的差别。也许我和一些直人的友谊，在他们眼中，轻于鸿毛，风一吹就散了（顾里式叹气）。我更能理解layla和ren之间的感情。即使没有爱情，两个人类仍然可以有深刻的羁绊，不是ON和KN之间那种病态的占有欲、巨婴般的依赖性，而是相互支撑着走下去，成为彼此存在的理由之一。对我来说，只要羁绊足够长久，那就是家人。这只是我单方面的奢望吗？===没有想记录的台词。===ep 44翻看自己的收藏夹时，看到这段话，有些被触动。《英美恋综观后感：咱亚的恋综怎么拍？》by 江东猫草===看到KN和junko吐槽，说ON做饭咸。屏幕前的我，苦笑。人怎么能这么刻薄呢？ON尽心尽力地帮你，虽然控制欲过强，但都只是ON自己内心在挣扎，没有对你过分的干涉，结果你在背后说人家坏话，你有良心吗？但我做过和KN一样的事，我不止一次背后吐槽我妈做饭难吃。我痛恨自己的刻薄。===没有想记录的台词。===ep 45KN: I don't need her to look after me, I am just sad because she doesn't have to depend on me.不要高估友谊的重要性。KN只是享受被依赖的感觉，ON只是为了满足自己的控制欲。别扯什么女性互助，不过是各为己利罢了，呵呵。===KN: But the truth is, Junko, even now my heart aches whenever I think about Shoji.Junko: Hold on, why do you suddenly change the subject to Shoji?KN: Because now that I think back to when he started seeing the other girl and what made him cheat on me in the first place, I just wish I knew why things ended the way they did.J: What difference does it make now?!KN: It's not that I want any thing from him! It's just because I still don't know what really happened! All those happy times I spent with him, have become nothing but painful memories! I don't know what is real and what is a lie anymore! I can't just take away the pain I feel from being betrayed by someone I really trusted.I'm worried that maybe Nobuo is carrying sad feelings around with him too, just like me, even if he has already moved on and found another girlfriend. (...) If I could just meet up with him, I could tell him that I really did love him, even though I chose Takumi in the end, at least then our relationship might have some sense of closure to it and there wouldn't be any more bad feelings.But maybe that would only make me feel better, maybe I would only be hurting him more. What do you think I should do, Junko?......(in a bar) Kyousuke: That's a complicated question, if I have ever heard one.Junko: I told her to do what she felt was right, but I am kind of worried.Kyousuke: Come to think of it, Shoji did want to explain things to her, remember? Maybe we shouldn't have stopped him.Junko: Yeah, maybe. I know that everyone is different, and there aren't really any right answers, I just tend to go off about things like I know everything. I am partly responsible for this mess, that really sucks. From now on, I will never give another piece of advice to anyone about their relationships. I don't want to turn into some nosy old lady.怎么又扯到shoji了。。KN，拜托你干点正事吧，别天天对着几段感情，搁那儿纠结了，有啥意义啊，认认真真地做事情，过好现在的生活吧。。Junko做得对，不要再给别人的感情提建议，否则人家最后会怪你，闹心。===一样的订婚戒指，哎，好伤感好伤感，我不知道自己在难过什么。===ep 46Ren真的是外强中干，看似强大，其实脆弱到不敢面对生活，用drug逃避现实。他的死亡，最大的责任在于他自己滥用药物。以及，他觉得结了婚就能绑定ON，这种想法，真是肤浅可笑。===KN默认Sachiko应该在家做个好太太，被Shoji回怼说，Sachico不需要做一个太太，大部分女性不是你这种freeload。这一幕太爽了。 Shoji和Sachiko，真的很般配，两个人都有工作，相互扶持，希望他们幸福。===Shoji: I probably won't see you again. I guess we have all got to live the choices we have made. Goodbye, Nana.......Shoji: I think I am far-sighted. The further away something is, the better I can see it, but once it gets close, I lose sight of it.是的，既然做出了选择，就请珍惜眼前人吧。===ON: Hey Hachi, they say you don't realize how much you care for someone until after they are gone, but I think it's when you come face to face with that person once more, then you truly recognize your feelings for them. If I saw everyone again right now, I know that I'd depend on them just as much as I did back then. I am scared of that, that's why I can't move from this spot.能理解ON。虽然彼此不合适，虽然分手的时候很痛苦，但如果再见面，心中还是会泛起波澜的吧。所以我也选择了再也不见面。===ep 47KN太恶心了，既要又要，就知道哭哭哭。===ON的自私令人作呕，为了满足自己对KN的控制欲，逼着Nobuo去见KN，以阻止KN结婚。她根本不关心别人是否幸福。===ON: Ever since I met you in high school, you always like to go for the girls who had problems, girls you thought needed to be rescued from something. That way you could step up and play the part of the hero, right? But whenever things start to get serious, you can't handle it, all you do is give up on them.......Shinichi: The thing is, Nobuo is a pacifist. He doesn't want anyone to suffer, he will sacrifice his own happiness to make sure that everyone else is happy. Avoiding conflict doesn't mean you're taking the easy way out, at least that's what I think.ON这段刻薄的话，应该说给她自己，她对KN才是所谓的个人英雄主义情结吧。Nobuo不去争取，不是因为怕承担责任，而是因为KN选择了和Takumi结婚，他尊重KN的决定。===END===终于看完了NANA，感觉像经历了一段toxic love。开始好爱ON，看到后期，多看一眼ON和KN，都会讨厌到心口烦闷。最后两集真的太煎熬了，完全只是为了让观看有始有终，才把台词记录完。写下END的那一刻，心中没有不舍，只有解脱，呵呵。好讨厌ON和KN，太自私了，丑陋！可layla、yasu、nobuo这样的美丽的人类，似乎也不幸福。矢泽爱，我讨厌你！讨厌讨厌讨厌！======夏天结束了。2024.9.10